Consumer Bill of Rights or Self-Serving Marketing Ploy?
Redfin Offers Merchandising Piece, Dismisses Other Business Models
Editor’s Note: Redfin real estate brokerage has framed its business model in a document that company executives are calling “The Real Estate Consumer Bill of Rights.” RealTown applauds the notion of creating a “Real Estate Consumer Bill of Rights,” but we believe that the Redfin document is little more than a thinly disguised marketing piece for the Redfin business model. We applaud Redfin’s marketing savvy in framing their company in a way that appears to many to be a consumer-friendly alternative to other business models, despite proven and time tested value propositions at many established brokerages in their market areas.
We agree with Redfin that a “Real Estate Bill of Rights” is a good idea. We are reprinting the Redfin version below with comments by Saul Klein, CEO of Real Estate Electronic Publishing Company, home of RealTown. We invite Redfin to comment and we invite RealTown readers to help us draft a REAL “Real Estate Consumer Bill of Rights’ that will help raise the bar and offer consumers real choice in business models and empower them to make informed business decisions based on facts and not hyperbole. The original article appeared in Inman News.
Preamble
When we launched Redfin, we wanted to change real estate for the better. Then we realized that just about everyone in real estate wants it to be better.
We all know that consumers sometimes struggle to get the full story on the house they're buying. Sometimes they worry that their agent doesn't represent their best interests, or they feel compelled to pay for services they don't want. We know that sellers often hire an agent just so other agents will show their house, and that buyers often hire an agent just to get access to agent-listed houses.
To make real estate the industry we all want it to be, we have to protect consumers' ability to make informed choices by acknowledging a basic set of rights upon which everyone can agree. We thus hope to build a coalition of brokers committed to these rights so that consumers can buy or sell houses through any of us with confidence.
Bill of Rights
1. Choose the services you pay for: Laws in more than a dozen states forbid brokers from refunding commissions to you, or require brokers to provide services you may not want to pay for. These laws protect the industry, not the consumer.
SAUL KLEIN: I agree, brokers should be allowed to refund commissions as a refunded commission or commission rebate is nothing more than a negotiated commission, which all state real estate laws tend to encourage.
Keep in mind, however, these anti rebate laws were more than likely not instituted initially to forbid real estate commission rebates, but other consumer rebates. Each state has a history of consumer protection laws and regulations.
Now, what do you suggest? That someone or some entity lobbies the legislatures state by state to exclude anti commission rebate laws and/or regulations?
2. Know how your agent makes his money: In real estate, the seller pays both his own agent and the buyer's agent a percentage of the sale; the agent earns more when his client pays more. If a house seems difficult to sell, the seller may even offer buyers' agents an especially high percentage. Buyers' agents should be required to explain to their clients how they are paid.
SAUL KLEIN: Agreed ... and many agents explain this point.
Your statement “… the agent earns more when his client pays more" is a negatively loaded comment. A statement such as this infers that an agent representing a buyer would intentionally work to get a buyer to pay more. This is a very nasty attitude you have begun to demonstrate, when you profess the sweet, smiling "we just want everyone to get along" position. My experience has been that those representing buyers work to get a deal for the buyer. This is a referral driven industry and many real estate professionals have integrity and want to get the best deal for the party they represent.
Attorneys earn more the longer the case. Does this mean all attorneys work to drag out the cases? Some do, but some attorneys also have integrity.
3. Know when you are committed to an agent: Often just showing a property entitles an agent to the commission for representing you, regardless of whether you intended to work with someone else or even preferred to represent yourself. The relationship between an agent and a consumer should always be explicit, so that both parties know when they're committed to one another.
SAUL KLEIN: Please cite your authoritative reference to the statement "Often just showing a property entitles an agent to the commission for representing you, regardless of whether you intended to work with someone else or even preferred to represent yourself."
I presume (but can't be sure) that you are referring to the concept of procuring cause? Procuring cause is not as defined as you state. It speaks of entitlement to commission for that person or entity based on an "unbroken chain of events." The "Threshold Rule" does not exist. You are publicly perpetuating a myth by making a statement such as this. I am beginning to believe your consumer bill of rights is very self serving for Redfin.
4. Know what services your agent will provide: Much of the work of a buyer's agent begins after the buyer has agreed to buy a house. This work includes coordinating inspections, repairs, mortgages, title reviews and escrow services. But agents today are paid only to bring a buyer to a transaction. Once that happens, it is virtually impossible to fire your agent. In most cases, this is appropriate, as the agent who puts a deal together deserves the commission. But in becoming committed to an agent, you should know what services the agent will provide as part of that commitment and what recourse you have if the agent doesn't perform those services. An open agreement between you and the agent protects the agent from being unfairly dismissed, and ensures you get the service you expect through closing.
SAUL KLEIN: I agree ... those who do not do their job should be fired...and probably paid for what they accomplished and no more.
Many agents represent buyers. Many work hard to bring the transaction to closing, after they have brought the offer to the sellers’ agent. Your "Consumer’s Bill of Rights." is negatively constructed and articulated. It is accusatory in its language.
5. Have an agent that represents only your interests: Most states allow an agent to represent the buyer and seller in one transaction, and get both sides of a commission. As a result, some sellers' agents are on the prowl for unrepresented buyers to bring to the seller. It's a solicitation neither side can easily refuse because the seller wants the buyer and the buyer wants the house. But an agent can't fairly represent the interests of two parties to the same transaction. An agent should represent only one party, and take commissions for only one party.
SAUL KLEIN: Once again your "Consumer Bill of Rights" is negative and self serving. I always thought a bill of rights should state affirmations and not statements such as "some sellers' agents are on the prowl for unrepresented buyers to bring to the seller."
In mediation, can one mediator bring parties to a satisfactory result?
6. Know the commission refund you can get before you buy a house: Depending on the service provided by the buyer's agent, some sellers vary the commission offered to buyers' agents. This flexibility is good in theory, but in practice it's often used to thwart commission refunds: Buyers expecting a refund of $10,000 or more from their agent discover on making an offer that the amount has been radically reduced in favor of the seller's agent. Buyers should know in advance what circumstances let the seller's agent keep more of a commission for himself. It's fine to change the price but not at the cash register.
SAUL KLEIN: You contradict yourself. If an agent representing the buyer, only delivers the buyer and does no work beyond that (as you state in number 4), should not the other agent in the transaction be allowed to only pay the buyer's agent for the work performed?
7. See all the houses for sale: Many of the multiple listing services set up to share listings between brokerages forbid participating Web sites from displaying for-sale-by-owner houses alongside broker-listed houses. As a result, home buyers usually don't see all the houses for sale, and home sellers have to hire brokers just to get their house on mainstream sites. MLSs should not require exclusive display of listings.
SAUL KLEIN: You do not understand the purpose of an MLS. It is not a public utility. Sellers who want to market their properties without the critical mass of brokers, should be allowed to market their property, but not in the MLS. If you have a car to sell, should you be allowed to display it on the local car dealer’s lot?
8. Have an open discussion about a house for sale: On the Web, you can openly discuss almost any product for sale except a house. That's because sellers' agents "own the listing," controlling where and how it's posted for their benefit. The rules of some MLSs discourage real estate Web sites from publishing independent reviews and preclude owners from distributing MLS marketing materials outside MLS-sanctioned Web sites. Once a house is for sale, everyone in the market should be able to discuss it.
SAUL KLEIN: You can discuss a house if you want. We can set up a searchable blog and buyers can make all the comments they want to make. What MLS prohibits this?
Sellers are always allowed to market their property, even if it is listed with a broker. Brokers, from a liability perspective, must be careful as must all business people when making comments about the business or property of another. Once again, you fail to understand the MLS, what it is and what it is not.
9. See all the information available about a house for sale: Many MLSs make it difficult for buyers to see recent past sales data, how long a house has been for sale, or whether its price has been reduced. Once a house is for sale, you should be able to see all the information available about it on your own, without becoming anyone's client. The only exception to this rule is information whose publication jeopardizes the seller's safety, such as when the presence of children precludes a showing.
SAUL KLEIN: Past sales data is available from a member of a multiple listing service. Consumers have abundant opportunity to access this information without becoming a client of anyone.
10. Be sure your agent will show your home to everyone: Some sellers' agents selectively refuse to show houses to a buyer represented by an alternative brokerage, which hurts the seller and the buyer. If, as part of his service, a seller's agent doesn't show houses to all buyers, the seller should know it, and the buyer should be able to contact the seller directly. When agents don't facilitate showing a house, they should at least stand aside and let buyers see the house on their own.
SAUL KLEIN: Agreed ... home should be shown to all qualified interested parties.
Conclusion (opinion): This is a disguised marketing piece for Redfin, not a real estate consumer bill of rights. The authors lack what I believe to be important industry knowledge. What other knowledge might they lack?
Editor’s Note: RealTown invites your comments and thoughts that will help us construct a “Real Estate Consumer Bill of Rights” that issues respect for the consumer, sans hyperbole and self interest. Let’s make this about the consumer, not a business model!



















Comments
Comment by: Tom Hathaway
- Apr 5, 2007 6:20:04 AMSaul,
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill. Of course their Bill of Rights is a marketing piece. I published a similar (wording was different of course) Bill of Rights back in 1989 and I can guarantee you it was for marketing purposes. This type of marketing often is effective with some readers because the title is attractive to thsoe who already are upset with or do not trust one's competitors. A Bill of Right publication also allows the author to address ten different issues in bullet point fashion that is easy to read and understand.
From the advertisers point of view, the messages included in the Bill of Rights is positive because the advertiser offers a positive solution to the consumer, most notiably "use me" and I will do a better job for you.
Typically those who see Redfin's message as being negative are those who don't like the solutions the Redfin is offering the consumer.
I suggest that any Bill of Rights that a listing competitor to Redfin might want to develop should be seen as promotional material as well. Lets just call it what it is and go on.
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Comment by: Susan Pruden
- Apr 5, 2007 7:17:21 AMComment by: Deede Wockenfuss
- Apr 6, 2007 12:33:42 PMThere is something SERIOUSLY wrong with Redfin's business model. They indicate that they want a bill of rights for consumers, but want their company to benefit at the expense of other agents. OUR model allows the Seller, OUR client, to benefit when WE show the home. Even if it is listed in MLS, if an agent from the listing office sells the property, the Seller only pays the flat fee to the listing company. The "selling agent" 3% or so co-broke is saved by the SELLER. If I, as the listing agent, show a customer one of my listings and this buyer wants to buy it, OUR seller will not consider paying the co-broke fee. After all, WE promise that if we show the property and the buyer wants to make an offer, that the Seller will only be charged the flat fee. If Redfin were to promise a potential buyer that they would receive 2/3 of the "selling commission" offered in MLS, if the LISTING AGENT showed the property, that would just be a lie. As listing agent, I assure you. that if I show the property to a potential buyer, the seller would NOT pay the "selling commission" to ANYONE, especially not some internet company who refuses to get out of their chair to do their job. To suggest that listing agents refuse to show their listed properties to an internet company's online leads is preposterous! I get internet leads every day! Should I just tell them to go next door to Re/Max, let them show them properties listed by their company, them share the ENTIRE offered co-broke commission in the MLS with the buyer and my company?
With companies like Redfin coming on line to suck the lifeblood out of our industry, I feel that ANY rebates of commission to consumers should be immediately outlawed everywhere. Commission is not offered to give the buyer a better deal. It is offered for a professional service provided by a hardworking real estate professional.
Let me put this another way. I "list" a home and do all of the work of a lisitng agent for a flat fee of $3000, AND offer 3% in MLS as compensation to an agent from another company to procure a buyer. MY real estate model is set up that when a buyer wants to buy one of my listings with ME, the 3% offered in MLS is now a negotiating point between buyer and seller. The buyer says he wants it, because the seller does not have to pay it, and the seller wants it, because our company will DO IT ALL for the flat fee. BOTH buyer and seller can save by using our company to buy and sell. They can split up the 3% any way they want. I don't care. I don't get it anyway! But, if an agent from another company physically shows the property, attends inspections and REPRESENTS the buyer as a PROFESSIONAL Realtor does, our sellers cheerfully pay that agent the co-broke. Redfin is just trying to get a piece of something they are not entitled to, when there are already reputable business models in place to save both the buyer and seller money AND provide them with professional representation. Any buyer with good sense will see through this smoke and mirrors they call a business model.
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